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	<description>How recent scientific discoveries point to the reality of the Creator</description>
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		<title>By: R, E. Barker</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>R, E. Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the fine tuning argument is accepted - and I see no reason to doubt it - it would clearly imply specific design and purpose. In which case it would mean that it was God&#039;s design and purpose to cause all the earth shattering disasters which have brought such terrible pain and suffering to millions of people in recent times and which appear to be getting worse. Is this the God of infinite love of which Jesus speaks?
On the other hand God does admit (Is. 45:5-7) that He creates both good and evil. And Job recognises this too (Job 2:10)  And, also, in the final chapters of Job, God explains how He controls EVERYTHING. Does this mean the God of fine tuning is no more than a mere mechanical master mind - a Wizard of Oz? Is this the God they have found?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the fine tuning argument is accepted &#8211; and I see no reason to doubt it &#8211; it would clearly imply specific design and purpose. In which case it would mean that it was God&#8217;s design and purpose to cause all the earth shattering disasters which have brought such terrible pain and suffering to millions of people in recent times and which appear to be getting worse. Is this the God of infinite love of which Jesus speaks?<br />
On the other hand God does admit (Is. 45:5-7) that He creates both good and evil. And Job recognises this too (Job 2:10)  And, also, in the final chapters of Job, God explains how He controls EVERYTHING. Does this mean the God of fine tuning is no more than a mere mechanical master mind &#8211; a Wizard of Oz? Is this the God they have found?</p>
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		<title>By: John Edward Strange</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>John Edward Strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of personal conviction, there simply is no measurable evidence for a &#039;God&#039; in the theistic or deistic sense. Belief in a God relies on faith, hence the nature of religion.

The theory of evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory which fits with available evidence- fossil record, and especially the genetic blueprint which is undeniable in my view as a map of evolutionary development.

It is not a certainty that this theory is correct- far from it. Nor does it answer questions like &#039;how did everything start&#039;, &#039;what is the meaning of life&#039; etc.. It is, however, convincing that the theory fits all current available knowledge- which, after all, is the sum of human science and philosophy. Our heritage; as the most privileged generation that has ever existed, in this sense.

With this in mind, the question has to be this: are we prepared to trust scientific findings, in the knowledge that we are effectively looking at a millimetre squared of a photo which is (perhaps) millions of square miles wide and long? Or do we wish to place faith in a theory that looks toward our individual &#039;souls&#039; or convictions and makes a leap of faith.

For me, there is the simple reality that people will choose according to their feelings and experiences. We are largely free to choose for ourselves, after all.

Having said this, I feel the most humble and most informed standpoint (though only a fraction more informed than faith) is to attempt to rationally explain what we observe around us. We owe it to future generations, even if we ourselves end up believing something which turns out to be wide of the mark.

The argument that belief in a Divine Creator can then lead to a specific World faith is simply irrational. The only rational continuation of belief in a Deity, in my opinion, is an ecumenical approach. However, whilst this standpoint could be correct (through some kind of subconscious human awakening towards a greater meaning, perhaps) this approach still lacks any evidence in scientific terms. 

I contend that we cripple the analytical, evidence-based skills of future generations if we ever encourage them to believe as fact something based solely on faith. No less than the future of humanity is at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of personal conviction, there simply is no measurable evidence for a &#8216;God&#8217; in the theistic or deistic sense. Belief in a God relies on faith, hence the nature of religion.</p>
<p>The theory of evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory which fits with available evidence- fossil record, and especially the genetic blueprint which is undeniable in my view as a map of evolutionary development.</p>
<p>It is not a certainty that this theory is correct- far from it. Nor does it answer questions like &#8216;how did everything start&#8217;, &#8216;what is the meaning of life&#8217; etc.. It is, however, convincing that the theory fits all current available knowledge- which, after all, is the sum of human science and philosophy. Our heritage; as the most privileged generation that has ever existed, in this sense.</p>
<p>With this in mind, the question has to be this: are we prepared to trust scientific findings, in the knowledge that we are effectively looking at a millimetre squared of a photo which is (perhaps) millions of square miles wide and long? Or do we wish to place faith in a theory that looks toward our individual &#8216;souls&#8217; or convictions and makes a leap of faith.</p>
<p>For me, there is the simple reality that people will choose according to their feelings and experiences. We are largely free to choose for ourselves, after all.</p>
<p>Having said this, I feel the most humble and most informed standpoint (though only a fraction more informed than faith) is to attempt to rationally explain what we observe around us. We owe it to future generations, even if we ourselves end up believing something which turns out to be wide of the mark.</p>
<p>The argument that belief in a Divine Creator can then lead to a specific World faith is simply irrational. The only rational continuation of belief in a Deity, in my opinion, is an ecumenical approach. However, whilst this standpoint could be correct (through some kind of subconscious human awakening towards a greater meaning, perhaps) this approach still lacks any evidence in scientific terms. </p>
<p>I contend that we cripple the analytical, evidence-based skills of future generations if we ever encourage them to believe as fact something based solely on faith. No less than the future of humanity is at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, what you say is correct. But most Christians would not claim that science proves that the Christian God is real. 

They would claim that the findings of science support the claim that there is a rational and powerful God of some sort, and are fully compatible with what we know about the Christian God from other ways he revealed himself to us. To put it another way, Christian teaching about what God is like fits with and explains what we have found out about the world through science, and even explains it better than atheistic presuppositions can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, what you say is correct. But most Christians would not claim that science proves that the Christian God is real. </p>
<p>They would claim that the findings of science support the claim that there is a rational and powerful God of some sort, and are fully compatible with what we know about the Christian God from other ways he revealed himself to us. To put it another way, Christian teaching about what God is like fits with and explains what we have found out about the world through science, and even explains it better than atheistic presuppositions can.</p>
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		<title>By: Vividpurplexed</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Vividpurplexed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading two amazing books that have offered an astonishing challenge to my assumptions about the theory of evolution and the nature of life.
The first is called “A meaningful World” by Benjamin Wiker and Jonathan Witt.
The second is called: “Evolution, Creationism and other Modern Myths”.
What if the evidence for Darwin’s theory is fundamentally flawed and not backed by any serious scientific evidence?
What if the alleged evidence of the fossil record simply doesn’t exist?
What if Darwin’s basic observations such as finches on the Galapagos islands don’t have the adaption characteristics claimed?
What if the text book illustrations of adapting moths were falsified at source?
What if the theories of  sedimentation and the origins of “fossil fuel” formation can be fundamentally challenged?
 
It has left me feeling as though the theory of evolution, as popularly presented, comes close to the story of Father Christmas. 
 
I have found this revelation strangely liberating. The bleak pronouncements of evolutionary propagandists have a humanity-denying direction that saps the spirit and suggests that life is fundamentally accidental and meaningless.
 
I have not yet arrived at my own “myth” but feel that the exploration can now re-commence without concern for this particular “science-myth” that  is paradoxically life denying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading two amazing books that have offered an astonishing challenge to my assumptions about the theory of evolution and the nature of life.<br />
The first is called “A meaningful World” by Benjamin Wiker and Jonathan Witt.<br />
The second is called: “Evolution, Creationism and other Modern Myths”.<br />
What if the evidence for Darwin’s theory is fundamentally flawed and not backed by any serious scientific evidence?<br />
What if the alleged evidence of the fossil record simply doesn’t exist?<br />
What if Darwin’s basic observations such as finches on the Galapagos islands don’t have the adaption characteristics claimed?<br />
What if the text book illustrations of adapting moths were falsified at source?<br />
What if the theories of  sedimentation and the origins of “fossil fuel” formation can be fundamentally challenged?</p>
<p>It has left me feeling as though the theory of evolution, as popularly presented, comes close to the story of Father Christmas. </p>
<p>I have found this revelation strangely liberating. The bleak pronouncements of evolutionary propagandists have a humanity-denying direction that saps the spirit and suggests that life is fundamentally accidental and meaningless.</p>
<p>I have not yet arrived at my own “myth” but feel that the exploration can now re-commence without concern for this particular “science-myth” that  is paradoxically life denying.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But this alleged evidence could just as easily point to a non-Christian God.  Are Christians comfortable with that idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this alleged evidence could just as easily point to a non-Christian God.  Are Christians comfortable with that idea?</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.Fiedeldey</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J.Fiedeldey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely we all know deep down, that nothing comes from nothing and if we are not moved by creation to wonder then we are not capable of wondering. The problem lies not within the universe but within the mindset of the beholder. Because the design is intelligent , it takes intelligence to recognise it and  the highest form of intelligence is humility. Without humility no recognition. Sorry!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely we all know deep down, that nothing comes from nothing and if we are not moved by creation to wonder then we are not capable of wondering. The problem lies not within the universe but within the mindset of the beholder. Because the design is intelligent , it takes intelligence to recognise it and  the highest form of intelligence is humility. Without humility no recognition. Sorry!!</p>
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		<title>By: T.K. Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>T.K. Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contary, R.E. Barker, it takes a lot more humility to acknowledge that we are the creation of a supreme intelligence. If the evidence points to a supreme creator, it is the height of arrogance to insist that we all got here purely by &#039;chance&#039;. Darwinism cannot explain the starting conditions. It simply seeks to propose a model of how the diversity of life came about, but why are the conditions just right for life in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contary, R.E. Barker, it takes a lot more humility to acknowledge that we are the creation of a supreme intelligence. If the evidence points to a supreme creator, it is the height of arrogance to insist that we all got here purely by &#8216;chance&#8217;. Darwinism cannot explain the starting conditions. It simply seeks to propose a model of how the diversity of life came about, but why are the conditions just right for life in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The argument about design may be interpreted either backwards or forwards...&#039;

I don&#039;t think it works like this, because there are so many ways in which the universe might not have supported ANY kind of complicated life at all: if the initial density had been much more, the universe would have collapsed again quickly in a &#039;big crunch.&#039; If it had been much less, everything would have flown apart so fast that complicated things like galaxies and stars and planets wouldn&#039;t have formed. If the balance of physical forces had been different, the universe would only ever have contained hydrogen....

So the argument is that if the universe wasn&#039;t precisely the way it is, any complicated beings like us would be impossible. Not only that, but the tunings of the physical laws appear to be highly improbable. So yes, we exist because the laws of nature are as they are - but the fact that they are as they are is a very unlikely &#039;coincidence.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The argument about design may be interpreted either backwards or forwards&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it works like this, because there are so many ways in which the universe might not have supported ANY kind of complicated life at all: if the initial density had been much more, the universe would have collapsed again quickly in a &#8216;big crunch.&#8217; If it had been much less, everything would have flown apart so fast that complicated things like galaxies and stars and planets wouldn&#8217;t have formed. If the balance of physical forces had been different, the universe would only ever have contained hydrogen&#8230;.</p>
<p>So the argument is that if the universe wasn&#8217;t precisely the way it is, any complicated beings like us would be impossible. Not only that, but the tunings of the physical laws appear to be highly improbable. So yes, we exist because the laws of nature are as they are &#8211; but the fact that they are as they are is a very unlikely &#8216;coincidence.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: R.E. Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.E. Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument about design may be interpreted either backwards or forwards. We may think it remarkable that the physical conditions - the laws of nature - are exactly right to support our existence. But, since our evolution occurred purely as a result of those conditions, surely we evolved to fit them (Darwin) and not they to fit us. The laws of nature were not designed so that we could exist, but that we exist because of what they are. The argument of a Divine creator is based solely on man&#039;s arrogant sense of self-improtance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument about design may be interpreted either backwards or forwards. We may think it remarkable that the physical conditions &#8211; the laws of nature &#8211; are exactly right to support our existence. But, since our evolution occurred purely as a result of those conditions, surely we evolved to fit them (Darwin) and not they to fit us. The laws of nature were not designed so that we could exist, but that we exist because of what they are. The argument of a Divine creator is based solely on man&#8217;s arrogant sense of self-improtance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Gibon Pawape</title>
		<link>http://www.focus.org.uk/?cpage=1#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Gibon Pawape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is amazing and encouarging for a Chrisitan</description>
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